Bulletin: Your book explores the history of city making and focuses on
todays dominant form: suburban sprawl. Why have you, a law professor, chosen this
topic? Gerald Frug: The purpose of my book is to give readers a sense of how the
incentive system built into local government law has helped generate suburban sprawl. Many
people seem to believe that suburbanization is the only conceivable option for
Americas urban areas. In fact, there are many options. The way to build an
alternative future is to retool the current "sprawl machine" by revising
existing legal rules and creating new institutions to implement them. Suburbs have been around for quite a while. Why pay so much attention to sprawl
now? There was a tremendous increase in suburban sprawl just in the 1990s. The
obvious consequence of this growth has been the relentless transformation of farmlands and
countryside into tract houses, strip malls, office parks, and highways. But there has also
been a dramatic expansion and decline of poor African American neighborhoods, a flight
from public schools, a decrease in the availability of affordable housing, and an
intensifying fear of others epitomized by the rapid growth of gated communities. These phenomena are closely related to each other. After all, you cant create
"exclusive" communities without some place for the excluded to go. Legal rules
have been a central device in creating separate cities in America for the excluding and
the excluded a development that is bad for all of us. Yet suburbs continue to expand, which means people still want to live in them.
So whats driving growing public anxiety about sprawl? For some people,
its the environmental damage caused by the loss of open space; for others, its
the burden of commuting that our car-centered life has imposed; for still others,
its the difficulty of living in declining communities without access to the jobs
that have moved out of town. Another problem is the sheer cost of building the highways
and other infrastructure required to support all this expansion. Even those who are moving
further and further out thereby creating more sprawl often oppose it: the
reason many of them move is to escape sprawl. That brings us to the central theme of your book. Could you explain how our
legal rules actually fuel sprawl and disempower cities? The easiest way to
understand the impact of legal rules is to recognize how much a persons life changes
simply by moving across the boundary line that separates the central city from a
prosperous suburb. Crossing into the suburban side, one finds oneself in a different
world: the troubles that face the central city suddenly become not "our problem"
but "their problem." Legal rules define what moving across this boundary line
means. Consider the impact of this boundary line on suburban residents. State law enables
suburbs to limit housing to single-family residences on large lots, thereby making them
too expensive for ordinary people. State law also enables suburbs to treat the property
located within their boundary lines as a source of tax revenue that can properly be spent
only on residents. What do you mean when you call modern cities "creatures of the
state"? American cities only have the power that states give them. And, in
fact, many efforts by central cities to improve their residents quality of life have
been frustrated by state decision making. For example, people in Cambridge and Boston have
tried hard to maintain their diversity by making it possible for lower- and middle-income
people to remain in town. One way they have tried to do so through rent control and
restrictions on condominium conversions was recently prohibited, over their
objection, by a statewide referendum. This is only one example of a disturbing fact: under
current legal rules, it is harder for a central city to sustain economic diversity than it
is for a wealthy suburb to exclude the poor. How do you propose changing the system? What I propose is for the
state to recognize the impact that cities within the same region have on one another.
Exclusionary zoning has as much impact on outsiders as on insiders. And much of the
commercial and industrial property on which the suburbs rely to fund their schools and
other city services is owned by outsiders. Why should taxes on a shopping mall used by
metropolitan residents generally be spent only in the jurisdiction in which the mall is
located? Recognizing the inter-connection between people who live in the same metropolitan
area does not require establishing a regional government; it requires rewriting the rules
of local government law. One could do so, for example, by requiring zoning decisions to be made with the housing
demands of the region, and not just of city residents, in mind. One could require cities
to treat commercial and industrial property as a regional, rather than a local, asset on
the grounds that the current system gives cities a fiscal incentive both to compete for
these enterprises and to exclude from town many of those who would like to work for them.
And one could adopt a school choice plan for local public schools in order to open them to
children from elsewhere in the region. That way, employees who work near a school but who
cannot afford to buy a house nearby would be able to send their children to the most
conveniently located public school. How would ordinary people take part in your proposals? Along with
changing legal rules, I propose creating institutions that would allow metropolitan
residents to work together on common problems involving them, for example, in
decision making for their childrens schools and in community policing efforts.
Support for reforming local government has to come from the impact that the reform will
have on problems that everyone in the region worries about: schools, crime,
transportation, affordable housing. Efforts to address these problems will work best if
they cross city lines. After all, many of Americas older suburbs are now beginning
to suffer the kind of decline that traditionally has been associated only with central
cities. You offer a different take on the concept of "community building."
Could you describe it? I dont use the term "community" to refer
to the romantic notion of nurturing a shared sense of identity. I hope instead to foster
the kind of relationship among strangers that cities have traditionally created throughout
human history. City life has not been built on a feeling of solidarity or affection or
acceptance. What it has offered instead is the idea that one can learn how to live and
work with people who are not like oneself. Everybody recognizes that American society is
becoming more diverse. The issue we face is deciding what we are going to do about it. One
possible answer is to intensify the kind of separation and division of different kinds of
people that local government now encourages. The better answer, I think, is to help people
learn how to live in a diverse society. Thats what I mean by "community
building." Interview by Julia Collins
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City Making: Building Communities without Building Walls
Princeton University Press, 1999